Michael Walker: I am super excited to be here today with my new friend, Nolan Arbough. So Nolan, man, for a little bit of context, Nolan is the first Neuralink patient, which basically means that he's the first human cyborg. He's able to control things with his thoughts. It's absolutely incredible.

And, you know, I've been following the company Neuralink since its inception. And when I watched the first video with you, Nolan, where they introduced you and probably about 45 minutes, you introduced yourself, it came super clear quickly that they chose a really great candidate for the first ever Neuralink and this type of technology has such an amazing ability to change the world and change the lives of a lot of folks out there. 

So you posted on X and you said that you're open to doing interviews. 

Noland Arbough: Yeah. 

Michael: And my first thought was, man, is there any good reason for me to like reach out to Nolan to see if we can schedule an interview for the Modern Musician podcast. And then an idea struck me around, you know, Music and Neuralink.

And what if together we created the first song ever telepathically as an intersection between Neuralink and AI music generation with tools like udio.com. Yeah. I was like, that's a cool idea. And so that's going to be kind of the context behind the interview today. But also when we had a chance to connect earlier, Nolan, you shared that music has been a really important part of your life and a part of your journey since you had your accident.

And, so, we're looking forward to just connecting with you and bringing you on the podcast to share a little bit about who you are, your story, how music has impacted your life, and to change the world with, you know, crossing the boundaries between, pre cyborg, music, and post cyborg music.

So that's a very long-winded introduction, but Nolan, thanks for taking the time to be here today. 

Noland: Yeah, man, I'm glad to be here, glad you reached out. Like you said, music has been a huge part of my life. I might not be as knowledgeable as many other people, especially people in the industry.

I grew up, around music. I played music throughout middle school and high school. I was in a concert band, jazz band. And then I did, like took some classes in high school, was in like a garage band and stuff. It's always been a passion of mine. I grew up listening to really good music, with my parents and stuff. So, I'm glad to be here. it's a lot of fun. I think this is going to be really cool. 

Michael: Absolutely. So, you know, maybe for anyone who, this is their first time connecting with you or hearing about Neuralink in the first place, could you share a little bit of details about what exactly Neuralink is and your story about how you became the first person to get a Neuralink?

Noland: Yeah. Yeah. So, about 8 years ago, I had a spinal cord injury, just kind of a freak accident, dislocated my C4 C5 and left me paralyzed without sensation or anything from the shoulders down. And so about 7, seven-ish, years in, my buddy from college, a guy that had worked in like spinal cord labs before, texted me. He was like, hey, you want to get a chip in your brain?

And just kind of jokingly. And I was like, yeah, man, why not? And so then he called me and told me what Neuralink was. I had no idea. I'd never heard of it. Obviously I knew who Elon Musk was, but I didn't know he was involved with this at all. And so he gave me the five minute rundown. Basically Neuralink is a chip that is implanted into the brain right now.

It's into the motor cortex. It's in my motor cortex, and they had just gotten approval for human trials, human clinical trials. He called me up that day and I applied for it and, somehow by the grace of God got in, it was kind of crazy. Just sort of a whirlwind. I think I applied like September 19th, something like that.

And what, like four months later I was getting brain surgery – which is just kind of nuts, but Neuralink allows me, like I said, it's a chip that's implanted like directly, it's mounted onto my skull and there are 64 threads with electrodes on them with 16 electrodes each, which go right into my motor cortex and they read, my neuron spikes and then through machine learning and through an algorithm that Neuralink has created, allows me to control electronic devices.

Right now, it allows me to control a computer, so I'm doing it right now. Just kind of hanging out on here, just playing around with it, and that's going to expand to a lot of other things. It's going to expand to, you know, gaming consoles, to phones, to things probably like cars or such in the future.

It'll also do a lot more as far as… I believe it's going to cure paralysis at some point. They implant one in the skull, one below the level of injury, and they talk to each other and bypass that damaged part of the spinal cord. I mean, it's just really cool. So I've been playing around with it, been doing a lot of stuff online with it, playing video games, and you know, just having a ball.

So this is just another one of those things where I'm really excited to be doing it. It's not something I would have been able to do before I got the Neuralink. So it's pretty cool. And I'm really looking forward to it. Like I said, music's a huge part of my life. It was a huge part of my life after my accident. It got me through some really hard times.

I mean, I had like a playlist that I created called my hospital playlist right after my accident. And I used to just blare it from my hospital room, have like the nurses come in and be like, hey, can you turn that down? Like, it's great music, but please turn it down. So like things like that. I mean, it's had such a profound impact on my life.

So, I'm really looking forward to being able to create something. This is my first attempt at anything, so it's probably going to go terribly. And I'm sure after a while I will get better at it, but you know, with AI and stuff, it just seems like it's perfect combination for what I'm doing. 

Michael: It absolutely is.

And I can tell you one thing, Nolan, I think your first attempt is going to be way, way better quality than my first attempt at making music. And most of our attempts at making music, you know, without having access to something like udio.com, which is I think the platform we're going to be using for the AI.

So it's a pretty cool convergence of a few different types of technologies. 

Yeah, it'll be super cool. 

So I have to ask Nolan, have you noticed anyone trying to like hijack your thoughts yet? And subtly implanting, 

Noland: Just Rick, just being Rick rolled, for the last five months. Yeah. That's all that's happening. No, like it. It might happen someday, like I'm sure when this technology gets off the ground, stuff like that's going to be possible. 

Michael: Yeah, it's definitely, I mean, we could have a very long conversation about you know, the future of what this technology can mean for humanity.

I think that it's hard to ignore or not acknowledge just the amazing benefits and the technology. Quality of life, you know, change that it can impact. So yeah, how about we dive in and we start playing around and getting… let’s do it.

Noland: Let's do it, man. Awesome.

Michael: So how do you want to do this? Do we want to, or do you want to like share your screen and then yeah, I can do that. Awesome. I can do that. You got it. So what you could do is maybe start streaming one of those other songs, just to see if we can hear it. 

Noland: Yeah, we can do that. 

Michael: Here we go. So when you, uh, real quick, just like, I'm just curious, like, when, when you're using your Neuralink, do you do it, like, do you feel like you're moving your hand?

Is it kind of like your brain is like, yeah, the same things? Or is it you're just using your thoughts to do, you're just like willing it to happen? Or how does it–

Noland: It's both. I can use it by just, like attempting to move my hand, so there's a big, like a difference between attempted movement and imagined movement with the Neuralink attempting is, you know, I physically try to move my hand cause you know, it's in my motor cortex, everything still works up there.

It's just not the signals not getting through because of my spinal cord. So I attempt to move my hand, send all the signals and then I can move the cursor like that. But once cursor control gets good enough. At a certain point, the implant understands what I want to do extremely well. It is very, very good at learning my intention, and so then I won't need to attempt anymore.

I can just look somewhere, and it'll go wherever I want it to go. 

Michael: I think I heard you describe it one way, Nolan, was it like using the force? 

Noland: Yeah, yeah, that's basically what it is. It just, it was really weird. The first time I used it just by like thinking, it was very much like, you know, cursor, like I'd look at the screen and it was like a come here sort of moment where I just like wanted the cursor to move where I was looking and it did, or like, I kind of like push it a little, or I pull it. It's very interesting. 

Michael: Absolutely wild. Yeah. Just like imagining just using the force to be able to interact with, you know, the cursor and yeah, man, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years from now. Wild stuff. 

So it might be worth a little bit of context for people that are watching this right now on udio.com and kind of what this tool is and how it works. I think this has been out for not a very long period of time, maybe like three to six months.

Another popular one's called suno.com, but these tools are absolutely remarkable for, what they're capable of doing in terms of music generation, probably the best comparison would be, existing tools like, you know, chatGPT or XAI. Grok, these basically let you put in a prompt where you say, I want to create this type of song and the AI will generate the type of song and you have different levels of customization where, you know, if you wanted to have no say at all in the creative process, you could just say, I want to create a song about dogs.

You know, it'll literally create a song about dogs and it's pretty fun. You know, it's pretty fun to create music like that, but what's even more cool, I think for a lot of us as creators and artists is that you can actually be more customized with it. You can add lyrics, you can have more of a say in terms of the outcome of the song by actually giving it more guidance.

So, we're looking forward to exploring this and it sounds like this is your first time. It is. Literally, no pressure, but this is going to be the first song that was ever telepathically created.

Noland: Yeah. Like you said, no pressure. I'm excited though. I'm excited to play around with it. All right. So how do I do this? 

Michael: So we're going to go up to the top bar there, where it says a song about… right now it says a fatigue of a night shift. So we click on that and you can sign in with whichever account you normally sign in with… I wonder if this will work. 

Michael: Now it just wants you to create like a display name. And this is important too, Nolan. You know, this is really the spark that lights era of a new generation. This is your music project. 

Gosh, you know, it's funny, Nolan, there’s actually a… we have like an inside joke at Modern Musician, like our demo account that we basically use for all of our testing and like our artist is a radioactive robot. It's kind of like the test project is literally about a cybernetic, person. And I was thinking right before we hopped on this meeting, I was like, whenever we use a radioactive robot from now on, I'm going to be thinking about Nolan.

Noland: Oh, that's funny. All right. So now we come up here, song about living with a disability. Wow. That is on the nose. 

Michael: Okay. That's it. It's the AI game over. The simulation is broken. Oh my gosh. What are the odds of that? Oh, that's hilarious. Wow. Yeah. Okay.

Noland: So I don't know. 

Michael: So yeah, man, this is the moment of truth. So, you know, do you have any ideas for like potential songs? And it doesn't have to be perfect, right? Like, you know, this is my first song that I ever made was absolutely terrible.

So I'm sure that this is going to be way, way, way further along than that. 

Noland: Yeah. So I did a couple of things. I used ChatGPT to like, I fed it in a bunch of stuff that I like and it gave me some really interesting like combinations. And then I also picked like 10 of my favorite songs and I would know, like, how I could go about putting those in here to create something like similar. Yeah. So what do you recommend? 

Michael: Oh, that's great. Yeah, man. I mean, if you have a list of 10 of your favorite songs, I'd also just be curious to know what are 10 of your favorite songs and what I would say is, if we like copy and paste those into either ChatGPT or Grok or like whatever you use for AI, then I would say let's copy and paste those in there.

And I don't know if you've played around with like an idea for the song itself or like a concept or the lyrics for it. But what I would probably do is I would just like paste all those and be like, I want to write a song about X, Y, Z. These are 10 of my favorite songs of all time. Can you share some ideas for, you know, verse, chorus, bridge, what it might look like?

Let's do this then, come here. 

Michael: Oh, landslide Fleetwood Mac. Hallelujah. Jeff Buckley. You got some queen in there. Oh yeah. Billy Joel. That is awesome. 

Noland: Okay. And then come back here and do that. And then I do this. Don't. Okay.

Michael: Those are kind of my favorite. Yeah. It's memory. Memory. Updated. We are learning to… oh, no. Recreate you. Fusion of classic rock, Americana, metal, and electropop.

Noland: Okay, cool. 

Michael: Yeah, that's gonna be awesome. 

Noland: Okay. And then so from…

Michael: From there, yeah, we can use that as part of the prompt for whatever the song is that you want to create. At least that's an idea. You know, if you have an idea already in terms of like genre of song, of course, we can roll with that.

Noland: I had this up here too. So let me, I can just try pasting that in as well.

Michael: Oh, heck yeah. I mean, you already have the prompt figured out. Yeah, man. Let's roll with that for sure. 

Noland: I was really hoping to get it to freaking use my 10 favorite songs. I love those songs. Okay, then we'll go here, song, living with a disability, that is amazing. 

Michael: Depending, if you want to, you can click on custom lyrics, and that's where you can add lyrics. I'm guessing we're doing the 30 second or so version right now. So we won't have a ton of time to be able to write the lyrics, but if you got the chorus there, then you could definitely use the chorus for the lyrics for it.

Noland: Easy peasy. All right, here.

Michael: Here we go. All right. 

Noland: Let's do it.

Michael: Neon veins. So, that's where it starts to come up with some title ideas and kind of gives you a bit of a sneak preview and sometimes while I'm waiting for it to generate, it's fun to just kind of like explore some of the staff picks, which you can like listen to a few of the songs that people are coming up with.

Oh Nelly. Oh, Nelly Seep. I like that. The neon sign. That's nice. Some old two street town tonight. We don't need to talk things through or you can cry the whole way to whatever feels all right to you. You got baggage. I got room. 

Noland: I like that a lot. That's so wild. That's gorgeous. Okay, I can listen to that all day, but let’s see about this. 

Michael: All right, he gave us two versions. Dear lord. In the shadows of a world of art, it's the cyborg's tale of a world. Yes. That is so metal. Yeah, what about this one?

Noland: I like that more than the first song. 

Michael: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were both interesting. Very, very different styles. Yeah. 

Noland: Very different. 

Michael: Cool. Wow. 

Noland: That's so cool. 

Michael: Well, you officially just made history. First ever telepathic song. That is amazing. That's so wild. So from here, so I'll share how you can kind of expand that and, you know, turn it into a full track.

Noland: Yeah. 

Michael: So out of those two, which one would you say was your favorite? 

Noland: I liked the second one. Some very like tears for fears, the cure, like, I like it. Yeah. 

Michael: So yeah, let's go with that one. So if you click on extend, then it basically gives you options to either add like a section before or a section after or you can also add an intro, or an outro, if it's kind of at the end. Yeah, that's a good idea.

So if you have the intro, it kind of opens up nicely into it. And, it gives you the same options where if you wanted to, you could create custom parts for it or instrumentals, but there's a lot that you can do to customize it. They have a couple of different versions.

There's a paid version that I think it's like 10 or 20 a month, but it lets you expand up to like two minutes and 20 seconds, a single generation. And that's pretty nice for like, yeah, you just like sit down and you can like generate like a whole track. Yeah. But, for something like this, I think starting with like an intro might be a good idea.

Noland: Yeah. I'm gonna do an instrumental. Why not? And then, I don't know. That seems like a decent place to start. Let's go for it.

Michael: Will this go? Oh yeah, okay. I didn't know if it was going to go right into the other part or not. Yeah. It's really natural, yeah. 

Noland: Yeah, it is. Like that guitar. Like, Duran Duran.

Michael: That's pretty sweet. I do like that. I like that a lot. 

Noland: Sounds like some blue man group stuff. Sounds like they're using stuff from around the kitchen to make this music. 

Michael: I could see that, yeah. If you're thinking about a music video for you right now, you could do something fun where you're just like, you're strolling around the kitchen and you're controlling silverware with your thoughts. Oh my gosh, yeah. That'd be pretty cool. 

Noland: That'd actually be really sick. It's a great idea.

Michael: Yeah, you got to start thinking about that now, Nolan, this is the launch of a new era. That's so cool. That would be a really cool idea for a music video. Yeah. You controlling, being like telepathic controlling. Yeah, you're not wrong. 

Noland: Like once you said that my mind just started racing.

Like, man, that would actually be a sick, like little mashup of this music video. Like I can just imagine, like, how interesting that music video would be like the thing. I don't know. It's cool, it's like getting all giddy because that sounds super interesting. 

Michael: Absolutely. Yeah, I mean this is like my favorite part about music and making music to like the creative process and having ideas and kind of exploring them.

Yeah, co-creation, co-writing, like this is where the magic happens. And I think hopefully this is a good demonstration for You A lot of folks around, you know, AI, I think is a tool. There's a lot of fear around right now. Like, what does this mean for us as musicians? And does that mean that we're not going to be able to be creative anymore?

Noland: Same with AI art and stuff. I mean, it's very, very similar. So it's just another art form, but man, that’s so cool. I mean, it gives me, like someone like me, a lot of hope for these, just being able to use something like this. Cause I can’t go out and like create my own music like that anymore.

As much as I would like to, I’m just not capable. And so having something like this where I can go in and just kind of play around, just have a good time with it, create something that is super interesting, super cool. I mean, it’s really, really awesome. It gives me a chance to like jump into this world. It’s very cool.

Michael: Extremely cool. And I mean, the song that you've made already, like I really like it. Like, yeah, it's actually super good. So out of those two options, the intro, which one do you think that you like most?

Noland: I like this first one. So version one, this one, something about that.

Like it's… I like that. I like that a lot. This one sounds more like the music video idea where you're just moving around, like the house, I don't like controlling different things. This one would fit that one more. I feel like, I don't know, something about it sounds more like that kind of stuff sounds like you're just like banging on pots and pans and everything.

This stuff. I don't know. It's super interesting. They're both good. I was leaning towards the first one too. Yeah, I think just like musically, like that's one that resonated more. I agree. Man, so freaking cool. Yeah. 

Michael: So do you… maybe you want to do like one or more extensions now and then you'll have a full, full song?

Noland: Yeah, man. Let's do it. I can extend it again. And then we will add a section. Like after and then let's let it auto generate this time. Yeah, I wonder if we turn that up and turn that down just a little, see what that does for it. Sweet. 

Noland: Whoa, hear the screams, huh? Born of gears and human hope in the cool, okay. It's pretty cool. 

Noland: I like that. 

Michael: That's pretty cool. Yeah, that lyric at the end was pretty solid. 

Noland: Yeah. Yeah. We'll try this. One more time to do an outro. 

Michael: Sweet. That is pretty cool too. You can create a piece of cover art for it, generates it with AI. And he's just pretty good job on the cover art as well. 

Noland: Yeah, yeah. I was noticing that. I was wondering how people did that. I was thinking I could even do like, this seems like it does a fine enough job, but my first thought was using something like mid journey, ChatGPT, Udio, just like all of the AI, all in on it and create something.

I think that'd be pretty cool. 

Michael: Yeah. I mean, there's a lot you could, you can do with AI now, like you could generate the, the images. Mid journey is probably the best one, right? Probably the best out of all the generators. And gosh, right now there's some pretty cool stuff coming out around the video generation.

Yeah. 

Noland: Yeah. Creating music video. That'd be sick. That'd be super cool, man. There's so much, there's so much that I could do with this. I wasn't even thinking that far ahead, but there really is like, you could create everything from the ground up, create the song, create the art, create the music video, help with the writing, like everything. That's really, really interesting. Let's try this. 

Michael: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-Hmm? Mm-Hmm. It's good. Okay. I'll begin, from the slums, to high rise beams, and apocalyptic dreams. So, so dark. Okay, let's do this, and you 

Noland: Okay, let's do this, and you were about, right here, right? Ooh, maybe. Heart's steel and dreams, where nothing's ever real.

Michael: As it seems. Feeling faith in electric schemes. Be on the code in digital streams. Rise above the noise, break the chains. In this cyber world, feel the pulse in my veins. In the maze of steel and dreams. Where nothing's as clear as it seems.

Noland: Yeah, that one's probably better. I like that. I like that a lot.

Michael: It's really cool, 

Noland: Man. So much fun. 

Michael: Yeah, man. It took about half an hour. Yeah. 

Noland: So it was, it was super easy, super easy, man. 

Michael: So the last thing that you can do now is creating a cover art for it. Yeah. If we go to mid journey, you can create something. You also can see what it comes up with. Some seems to do a pretty good job. I don't know if they have some like good prompts underneath the hood or if they're like integrating with other. 

Noland: Where do I go for that? 

Michael: So if you click on the name of the song, then, now if you click on the edit button on the right side there, yeah. And then you click on the image. It says edit image. And then you can create a prompt for it. Usually I just click generate and let it do its thing. But if you have a specific idea for like a visual for it, then you can also put like a visual for it as well.

Let's see what it does.

Whoa, okay, so it's so dark. Let's make this happy. 

Noland: It was like, when I give people the wrong idea, if I started putting stuff like that out. 

Michael: Yeah. You gotta be careful. I mean, if you're planning on dominating the world, you can't let people. Yeah. 

Noland: I need to be more unassuming. Uh, can't just come out like right out and post something like that. People. Okay. Well that is not happier people. I don't know. I don't know what just happened, but okay. Well. I like this one. So it's pretty cool. It is. Let's do that. And then sweet. 

Michael: Then the last thing is if you click on publish, then it will actually publish it. And so now you can share the link and anyone can listen to it personally, I would love to have the link so I can listen to the song and share it with my family. Don't mean the download. Sure. 

Noland: Yeah, here, we will do this and then I'll send it here for you. Cool. 

Michael: Let's go. Awesome. Let's start then. If you want, you can also rename the title. It has like all the extension stuff in there, so you can, come up with a name for it. I mean, Neon Veins is, it's not bad. 

Noland: Neon veins is pretty cool. I'm not going to lie. It's a good name for this. Well, I'll probably end up taking all of this out, but I like Neon Veins. It's good. It's real good.

Michael: Man. Just like that. 

Noland: Just like that. 

Michael: First song ever.

Noland: I know. I know. It's so sweet. I know, right? Wow. That's so cool, man. It's cool. Thanks for walking me through that. That's awesome. I had a really good time doing this. 

Michael: Yeah, dude, it's an honor. I'm very grateful for the opportunity to have been a part of this, like I mentioned before, Nolan, I just think what you and the team are doing is absolutely incredible and really has the ability to change the lives of many, many people and humanity. And so, I personally just want to say thank you for the bravery. You know, to be the first person ever to do something like this and in thinking about Neuralink before, it's one of those technologies that basically anyone I've talked with about it has been, there's a lot of fear that kind of comes up because for valid reasons, you know, you wouldn't want, you know, your brain to get hacked or something like that is the common thing that I hear.

And from everything that I've seen, in terms of the conversations that you've had, the interviews, maybe you could speak just a little bit to like, you know, what your, what your hope is in terms of, like what would you say is like your thought process kind of going into, getting a device like this and what kind of impact do you hope that this makes on people?

Noland: Yeah, I mean, personally, at least immediately, my immediate goal is to help people with disabilities. The whole, ethical concern about these, the, you know, hacking, everything like that. It's all honestly above my head. I've thought about it and I've talked to people about it, especially at this point, I don't think it's a big deal at all.

It's just not possible to do what people are thinking that it is capable of doing. Whether or not that happens in the future is another thing completely. There are much smarter people that know about that and who can speak to it better than I can. But for me, I know that this technology is going to help people with disabilities, handicapped people, people with paralysis, people with ALS.

Eventually it'll help people who are blind. Just all sorts of different things. I think it's going to cure paralysis in my lifetime. I think, 10 to 20 years and paralysis could be a thing of the past. and even if it's not in that time, I'm very confident that it will happen within my lifetime.

And even if it doesn't happen for me, even if for some reason it doesn't work for me, or it doesn't happen per se in my lifetime, or I'm just not like my body is basically too far gone for it to even work. That's fine. I'm really just looking forward to people in the future not having to go through what I and so many before me have gone through.

I mean, this has been plaguing humanity since the beginning of time, basically, and to be on the path to solving that is something that I would give my life for over and over again. I would go through this surgery not knowing what was going to happen, as many times as it took, because as many times as it takes, because ultimately that's like… my goal with this is to just help people and whatever I can do to do that, it's more than enough for me. So, I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes. I'm really hoping that everything that I'm doing, has an impact and that the people that come after me will be a little less fearful of it and that we all work together to, you know, make the world a better place.

And I think that's more than anyone can ask for their life. It's just as the old saying goes, like, leave it better than how you found it. And so that's really all I'm trying to do. 

Michael: That's incredible, man. Yeah. I mean, I'm imagining looking back on this period of time that this is a pretty groundbreaking moment in history for all the reasons that you've described. So, pretty incredible to be a small part of it. Yeah, I'm a small part of it. You're… 

Noland: I'm a small part of it too. Trust me. There needs to be a first, but like you were just saying, I'm a small part of it. I don't feel like a massive cog in all of this. I just think I'm another little link in the chain along this path. And that's all I really want to be. I'm just looking forward to the future. 

Michael: Awesome. Yeah. I think that's a great way to put it. I think all of us in some ways, depending on relatively like how you're looking at things, we're pretty small piece of the grand plan, even when you just zoom out on earth and you see like, you know, pictures of earth from such a small little speck, it's definitely tumbling.

Noland: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 

Michael: Nolan, man, it's, been a ton of fun creating the song together with you. Thanks again for coming on the podcast, be a part of this moment, creating the first song ever telepathically. And for anyone that's listening to this right now, that's interested in following along with your journey and connecting more, what's the best place for them to go to connect with you?

Noland: Yeah, at modded quad on X is where I've been doing most of my stuff. I also have a Twitch channel and a YouTube at ModdedQuad, but I haven't really done anything with them. So you, if you go there, you probably won't find much. But on X is where I'm just starting to get things rolling, get everything off the ground.

I've only been doing this a few months, so be patient with me and hopefully stuff like this is just the beginning. Now, hopefully there's a lot more to come with everything I'm doing. So, just follow along and get me up. If you want to do anything cool like this, I'm more than happy.

Michael: Amazing. Yeah. Well, like always, we'll put all the links in the show notes for easy access and Nolan, man, looking forward to hearing what else you'd come up with. Yeah. Whether it's a music video or, you know, other pieces of arts or more songs, they'll be following along for the journey. 

Noland: Thanks, man. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me on too.